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Product Hunt Radio is a a weekly podcast with the people creating and exploring the future. Tune in every week with Ryan Hoover and Abadesi Osunsade as they're joined by founders, investors, journalists, and makers to discuss the latest in tech.
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22nd Apr 2020How to bounce back as a maker with Josh HowarthOn this episode Abadesi talks to Josh Howarth, co-founder of Exploding Topics.In this episode they talk about...His early days as a maker and what he would change if he could do things over48m15th Apr 2020Making good typography more accessible and common design pitfalls to avoid with Matthew PaulOn this episode Abadesi talks to Matthew Paul, software product designer, researcher, and front-end engineer. He’s a former product designer at InVision, he’s worked on software and design systems at43m8th Apr 2020The future of remote work and digital nomadism with Pieter LevelsOn this episode Abadesi talks to Pieter Levels, founder of Nomad List, a global community of international travellers working around the world, RemoteOK, a job board for remote jobs, and Hoodmaps, a38m1st Apr 2020How to get acquired with Waseem Daher of PilotOn this episode Abadesi talks to Waseem Daher, founder and CEO of Pilot. Pilot is bringing bookkeeping into the modern age. He has started (and sold!) two other companies prior to Pilot.In this44m25th Mar 2020How to design products that delight your users with Slack’s VP of design Ethan EismannOn this episode Abadesi talks to Ethan Eismann, VP of Design at Slack. He has previously worked on flagship products at Google, Uber, and Airbnb, as well as at Adobe back when Flash was still a56m18th Mar 2020How to sell your product to enterprise customers with Michelle BacharachOn this episode Abadesi talks to Michelle Bacharach, founder and CEO of FINDMINE, a retail technology company that uses machine learning to scale the currently manual and tedious process of product29m11th Mar 2020How to capitalize on the future of work with Ryan SimonettiOn this episode Abadesi talks to Ryan Simonetti, co-founder and CEO of Convene. They call themselves commercial real estate’s first workplace-as-a-service platform. He co-founded the company in 200939m4th Mar 2020How to grow and monetize communities with Jill SalzmanOn this episode Abadesi talks to Jill Salzman, founder of The Founding Moms, a “global collective of offline masterminds and online resources for mom entrepreneurs.” She was formerly the founder of a44m26th Feb 2020How to launch an operator-led fund with Brianne KimmelOn this episode Abadesi talks to Brianne Kimmel, founder of Work Life, an early stage venture firm in Silicon Valley that invests in tools and services for the modern workplace. She was formerly head40m19th Feb 2020How to invest in overlooked ideas with Harlem Capital's John HenryOn this episode Abadesi talks to John Henry, venture partner at Harlem Capital and host of Hustle on VICELAND.In this episode they talk about...How he got into entrepreneurship and how the45m12th Feb 2020How to grow your brand with Instagram with Year & Day Founder Kathryn Duryea WyndoweOn this episode Abadesi talks to Kathryn Duryea Wyndowe, founder and CEO of Year & Day. They make beautiful tableware that they sell direct-to-consumer online via their website.In this episode they45m5th Feb 2020How to improve your focus in a world of distraction with Readup founders Bill Loundy and Jeff CameraOn this episode Abadesi talks to Bill Loundy and Jeff Camera, co-founders of Readup. Jeff is the sole developer on the team, and Bill handles everything else. Readup is a social reading platform47m29th Jan 2020How to design products that make a difference with Cat NooneOn this episode Abadesi talks to Cat Noone, CEO and designer at Stark, a suite of integrated accessibility compliance tools for teams. She is also co-founder of Iris, a modern-day emergency alert47m22nd Jan 2020How to access the best tech talent around the world with Sylvain KalacheOn this episode Abadesi talks to Sylvain Kalache, co-founder of Holberton School, a project-based alternative to college where you can become a software engineer in two years. They have campuses in47m15th Jan 2020How to pivot your tech career and live a multi-hyphen life with Yassmin Abdel-MagiedOn this episode Abadesi talks to Yassmin Abdel-Magied, a mechanical engineer, social advocate, writer, and broadcaster. She is the author of multiple books and is the founder of Youth Without55m8th Jan 2020How to futureproof your tech career with Ruben HarrisOn this episode Abadesi talks to Ruben Harris, founder and CEO of Career Karma. They help match you to the best coding bootcamp for you and publish a directory of over 450 bootcamps.In this episode47m18th Dec 2019The best advice from founders in 2019In today's episode we have collected the very best from the interviews we've done with founders in 2019. Mathilde Collin, CEO of Front, shared lessons on building a strong company culture and talked46m11th Dec 2019The future of proptech with Thomas KutzmanOn this episode Abadesi talks to Thomas Kutzman, co-founder and co-CEO of Prevu. Prevu is a real estate technology platform that saves homebuyers money.In this episode they talk about...How he43m4th Dec 2019What not do to when marketing your product with Dave Charest of Constant ContactOn this episode Abadesi talks to Dave Charest, Director of Content Marketing at Constant Contact. He’s here to walk us through all the common mistakes that makers make when marketing their products,45m27th Nov 2019The future of seed stage VC with Tige SavageOn this episode Abadesi talks to Tige Savage, co-founder with Steve Case of Revolution, and managing partner of Revolution Ventures. He was formerly VP of Time Warner Ventures and got his start at46m20th Nov 2019The future of podcasting with Andrew MasonOn this episode Abadesi talks to Andrew Mason, founder and CEO of Descript. He was formerly founder of Detour, which Descript emerged within before it was spun out into its own company when Bose30m13th Nov 2019Early days at Facebook and advice for pitching VCs with Mike VernalOn this episode Abadesi talks to Mike Vernal, partner at Sequoia, the legendary venture capital firm. They are celebrating their scout program turning a decade old. Mike shares stories about the45m6th Nov 2019Bootstrapping nine businesses to millions in revenue with Marcus TaylorOn this episode Abadesi talks to Marcus Taylor, founder of Venture Harbour, a digital product company based in the UK. They’ve launched nine companies in the last few years and have grown them to41m30th Oct 2019Why it doesn’t have to be crazy at work with David Heinemeier HanssonOn this episode Abadesi talks to David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founder and CTO of Basecamp, and creator of Ruby on Rails. He is also the author of several bestselling books, including It Doesn’t Have59m23rd Oct 2019Growing revenue from zero to eight figures in 24 months with Drift’s Elias TorresOn this episode Abadesi talks to Elias Torres, co-founder and CTO of Drift. He co-founded the company with David Cancel, a longtime collaborator. They have achieved smashing success so far, and47m16th Oct 2019Overcoming adversity and setting your sights high with Delane ParnellOn this episode Abadesi talks to Delane Parnell, founder and CEO of PlayVS. PlayVS is the community for amateur high school esports. He was previously the youngest black venture capitalist in the US54m9th Oct 2019Environmentally-friendly entrepreneurship and the future of direct-to-consumer with Sarah Paiji YooAbadesi is joined on this episode by Sarah Paiji Yoo. She is the founder of Blueland, a direct-to-consumer company that sells environmentally-friendly cleaning supplies. She formerly founded and sold38m2nd Oct 2019The future of beauty with Sharmadean ReidOn this episode Abadesi talks to Sharmadean Reid, founder of Beautystack. She’s one of Aba’s favorite people of all time, and is an inspiration to women and people of color everywhere. She recently1h 8m25th Sep 2019Special Community Edition: What’s on your home screen?In this special edition of Product Hunt Radio, the community is the guest. Ryan chats with the members of the Product Hunt community about the apps that they love and why they’re so great. People42m18th Sep 2019How To Ship Work That Matters with Basecamp’s Ryan SingerOn this episode Abadesi talks to Ryan Singer, head of Product Strategy at Basecamp, where he’s worked for 16 years, ever since 2003. He is the author of Shape Up: Stop Running in Circles and Ship1h 9m11th Sep 2019How to be “indistractable” with Nir EyalOn this episode Ryan is joined by a friend, writer, and student of human psychology, Nir Eyal. I’ve learned so much from his writing over the years. He has an incredible ability to synthesize complex54m4th Sep 2019The future of venture capital and how mindfulness can help founders with Nic BrisbourneOn this episode Abadesi talks to Nic Brisbourne, managing partner at Forward Partners, and creator of the popular email newsletter, The Equity Kicker. In this episode they talk about... The future of45m28th Aug 2019How building a community can supercharge your business with Gina BianchiniOn this episode Abadesi talks to Gina Bianchini, a serial entrepreneur and an investor. She is founder and CEO of Mighty Networks, a platform for building communities. She also co-founded Ning and43m21st Aug 2019What not to do as a maker with Courtland AllenOn this episode Abadesi talks to Courtland Allen. He is a super talented designer and developer. In 2016 he founded Indie Hackers, an awesome community of bootstrappers and makers sharing their55m14th Aug 2019The future of programming and defining success as a software engineerOn this episode Abadesi talks to Cassidy Williams. Cassidy is a great follow on social media and is a software engineer at CodePen. Prior to CodePen, she worked for Venmo, Amazon, Clarify and others.54m7th Aug 2019Founder depression, “going independent,” and the future of podcastingOn this episode Abadesi talks to Justin Jackson. Justin is a founder, author, and podcaster. He is co-founder of Transistor, a platform for podcasters, and runs his own podcast called Build your54m31st Jul 2019Tech, Comedy, and Following Your Passion with Sarah CooperAbadesi is joined by Sarah Cooper on this episode. She’s an author and comedian from New York, and has published two books: 100 Tricks To Appear Smart In Meetings, and How To Be Successful Without44m24th Jul 2019Hustle Culture, Crisis Management, and How To Build Rapport with Alex KonradOn this episode Abadesi talks to Alex Konrad, Senior Associate Editor at Forbes. He’s one of today’s top tech journalists and has interviewed some of the biggest tech titans around. He also plays a53m17th Jul 2019How the tech industry can be more compassionate with April WenselOn this episode Abadesi talks to April Wensel, founder of Compassionate Coding, and one of Aba’s favorite follows on Twitter. She’s a veteran software engineer who has worked in healthcare,52m10th Jul 2019The future of fintech with Chris Hutchins and Jake GibsonRyan recently visited Grove HQ in SOMA in San Francisco to chat with two founders who know a ton about fintech. Chris Hutchins was our gracious host and is CEO of Grove, a startup that uses people44m3rd Jul 2019How Reshma Sohoni built a successful VC firm in EuropeOn this episode Abadesi sits down with Reshma Sohoni, co-founder and managing partner of Seedcamp. She co-founded the firm in 2007 and works with the Seedcamp team and their portfolio companies to35m26th Jun 2019How Veni Kunche helps underrepresented candidates get into techAbadesi talks to Veni Kunche, who is founder and CEO of Code with Veni, a newsletter for women in tech, and Diversify Tech, an awesome online resource for underrepresented groups trying to break into41m19th Jun 2019Sahil Lavingia on “failing to build a billion-dollar company”Abadesi talks to Sahil Lavingia, founder and CEO of Gumroad, an online platform that enables creators to sell directly to their customers. Sahil is a very authentic founder who is not afraid to speak53m12th Jun 2019How to learn to code with Saron YitbarekAbadesi is back to host this episode with Saron Yitbarek, founder and CEO of CodeNewbie and the Codeland conference. Saron is a former journalist who started working in the tech industry and then47m31st May 2019Secrets of Sand Hill Road with a16z's Scott KuporScott Kupor joins Ryan on this episode to talk about his new book, Secrets of Sand Hill Road. Scott is Managing Partner at Andreessen Horowitz and has been at the firm since it was founded. He has a35m
29th May 2019Lessons from scaling a fast-growing distributed team at ZapierRyan and Wade Foster have known each other through the internet for years before recently meeting in person in Mountain View. Ryan learned so much from the coffee chat that he asked if Wade would40m
22nd May 2019Distributed teams, extreme transparency and buying out your investorsOn this episode Ryan is joined by Joel Gascoigne, CEO of Buffer, a simple tool manage all your social media accounts. We've been avid users, big fans, and paying customers for years. In this episode41m
15th May 2019The future of direct-to-consumer and e-commerceWeb Smith has a long history working in direct-to-consumer and e-commerce. He managed marketing spend for Rogue, a leading sports goods manufacturer back in 2011 before co-founding Mizzen + Main and27m
8th May 2019Empowering the next generation of makers with no-code toolsAJ is mysterious. He's a maker who goes by his initials only and is the creator of Carrd, an awesome tool for creating one-page websites without any code. AJ lives in Nashville and built Carrd34m
1st May 2019Danielle Morrill on founder loneliness and the power of fictionIn 2013, Danielle Morrill was just starting up her blog, and writing about startups from a unique, data-driven lens. The blog turned out to be an MVP for what would later become Mattermark, a company41m
24th Apr 2019How to think about raising your first venture fundLee Jacobs and Brian Balfour join Ryan at AngelList HQ for this week's episode. Back in the day, Lee was one of the first syndicate leads on AngelList and later went on to join as a Partner. He35m
17th Apr 2019Why staying true to yourself is the best path to growthToday I'm joined by Everette Taylor, a fellow entrepreneur and community builder that I got to know back when he was building GrowthHackers.com five years ago. But well before this, Everette began33m
10th Apr 2019Front’s experiment in radical transparencyIn today's episode, Ryan interviews Mathilde Collin, CEO of Front. Front is a shared inbox for your team and the company is used by startups big and small. They raised a whopping $66 million from32m
3rd Apr 2019How to tell the story of your startup with Camille Ricketts and Carmel DeAmicisIn today's episode we talk to two expert storytellers in startupland — who also happen to be Ryan's good friends. Carmel DeAmicis is an editor (aka word wiz) at Figma, a company that's reinventing35m
27th Mar 2019Why it's easier than ever to build an app but harder than ever to make it successfulTwo active makers in the Product Hunt community join Ryan at AngelList in San Francisco for this week's episode of Product Hunt Radio. Hiten Shah was recently awarded Product Hunt Community Member of46m
20th Mar 2019The present and future of the entertainment industry with John ShahidiIn this episode Ryan visits Shots Studios HQ in Los Angeles to chat with the company's CEO John Shahidi (aka @john on Twitter). John and the Shots Studios team have a unique background. Ryan met John38m
13th Mar 2019The future of education with Lambda School's Austen AllredOn this episode, Abadesi talks to Austen Allred, co-founder and CEO of Lambda School. Lambda School is a pioneer in the income-sharing agreement (ISA) space. They offer live online courses in43m
6th Mar 2019Venture Capital 101 with Eric BahnOn this episode, Ryan sits down with Eric Bahn from Hustle Fund in San Francisco. Hustle Fund invests in what they call “hilariously-early hustlers.” Prior to co-founding the fund, Eric worked in a35m
27th Feb 2019The present and future of social media with Matt NavarraOn this episode, Abadesi talks to Matt Navarra, a social media consultant from the UK. He is a self-described “Facebook geek” who has worked in digital communications for the UK government and was1h 1m
20th Feb 2019How crypto will change the world with Linda XieOn this episode, Abadesi interviews Linda Xie, co-founder of Scalar Capital. Scalar Capital is a San Francisco-based hedge fund specializing in crypto assets. Linda is also an advisor to 0x and55m
13th Feb 2019How to build a remote team with Ben Halpern of DevAbadesi is back to talk to Ben Halpern, creator, founder, and webmaster of DEV, an online community where developers share ideas and help each other grow. He is also behind @ThePracticalDev on46m
6th Feb 2019The future of consumer tech, communities and communication with Sarah Tavel and Eric Vishria of BenchmarkOn this episode I'm visiting Benchmark Capital, one of the world's most renowned venture capital firms, at their offices in the heart of the Tenderloin in San Francisco to chat with two of its44m
30th Jan 2019The future of news with Jessica Lessin, founder of The InformationAba is back to host this episode with Jessica Lessin, journalist, founder, and editor-in-chief of The Information. Founded in 2013, The Information breaks exclusive stories and publishes deeply35m
23rd Jan 2019Rethinking the traditional VC model with Bryce Roberts of Indie.VCBryce Roberts is co-founder and managing director of a different kind of VC firm, Indie.VC. He recently announced v3 of their fund model which is focused on backing revenue-generating companies that37m
16th Jan 2019Finding yourself through with social media with Taylor LorenzAba is back to host this fun episode with Taylor Lorenz. Aba is part of the team at Product Hunt and the author of Dream Big, Hustle Hard: The Millennial Woman's Guide to Success in Tech. Taylor46m
9th Jan 2019How to find a mentor in tech with Floodgate’s Ann Miura-KoWe have a special guest host for this episode, my teammate at Product Hunt, Abadesi Osunsade. She is the author of Dream Big, Hustle Hard: The Millennial Woman's Guide to Success in Tech. She'll be56m
2nd Jan 2019Living phone-free in Silicon Valley and the future of music tech with Justin Kan and RaniduOn this episode I'm visiting Atrium's headquarters in SoMA in San Francisco to chat with two serial entrepreneurs, Justin Kan and Ranidu. Justin Kan's career blew up in the mid-2000s when he started37m
26th Dec 2018The future of media, commerce, and what the west can learn from ChinaToday I'm at Kleiner Perkins in San Francisco's South Park neighborhood to talk to Eugene Wei and Eric Feng. Eugene Wei has worked at Oculus, Flipboard, Amazon and Hulu. He actually left Amazon in51m
19th Dec 2018Megatrends in tech and missed opportunities with Garry Tan of Initialized CapitalToday I'm visiting Garry Tan at Initialized HQ, a multi-stage fund that he started with Alexis Ohanian, one of the co-founders of reddit. The fund has grown tremendously over the past six years with48m
12th Dec 2018Building Family-Friendly Products and Companies with Sara Mauskopf and Anne HalsallToday I'm visiting San Francisco's Mission district to chat with Winnie co-founders, Sara Mauskopf and Anne Halsall. They have a unique background working at large tech companies like Google,45m
5th Dec 2018The Future of VR with Second Life and High Fidelity's Philip RosedaleToday I'm at the headquarters of High Fidelity in San Francisco talking with co-founder and CEO, Philip Rosedale. Philip and the team at High Fidelity are creating free and open source software that1h
28th Nov 2018Is decentralization overhyped? And the future of voice tech.Today I'm at AngelList HQ in San Francisco for a bit of a reunion with two friends and investors: Parker Thompson and Erik Torenberg. Parker Thompson is a partner at AngelList and early stage49m
21st Nov 2018How to find underrepresented founders and Backstage Capital's requests for productsToday's episode of Product Hunt Radio is the largest gathering yet, featuring Arlan, Christie, Bryan, and Amiah from the Backstage Capital team. Arlan Hamilton isn't your typical VC. She went from43m
14th Nov 2018Mullet startups and how Silicon Valley has changedToday on Product Hunt Radio, I make the trek from San Francisco down to Sandhill Road to talk to Andrew Chen and Ada Chen at Andreessen Horowitz. Their matching last name is not a coincidence — yes,42m
7th Nov 2018The power of online communities and healthful habitsIn this episode of Product Hunt Radio, I'm in the sunny hills of Los Angeles at the home of Sophia Amoruso with Suzy Ryoo. Sophia Amoruso is an incredible entrepreneur who I've gotten to know over41m
31st Oct 2018VC vs. bootstrapping and how to build big things with a small teamToday I'm visiting Stripe's office in San Francisco to chat with Patrick Collison and Courtland Allen, shortly after they announced their latest round of funding, valuing the company at a whopping33m
24th Oct 2018The baby boom in Silicon Valley and the future of work and educationIn this episode of Product Hunt Radio, I'm visiting TechCrunch HQ to hang out with two journalists that see more startups in a month than most people in a lifetime. Josh Constine is the49m
17th Oct 2018Gen Z and the future of social appsIn this episode of Product Hunt Radio, I'm recording from my home in San Francisco to talk to two young entrepreneurs. Tiffany Zhong interned at Product Hunt while she was still in high school. After35m
10th Oct 2018“Tinder babies” and the power of connecting people online and offlineIn this episode of Product Hunt Radio, I'm in Los Angeles talking to Brian Norgard and Jeff Morris Jr., both of whom may be indirectly responsible for a generation of “Tinder babies”. Brian Norgard38m
3rd Oct 2018The evolution of Y Combinator and counterintuitive advice for foundersIn this episode of Product Hunt Radio, I'm visiting Y Combinator's San Francisco headquarters to talk to two of the people who are integral to Y Combinator — Kat Manalac and Michael Seibel. Kat is a48m
26th Sep 2018Finding the world's 'lost Einsteins' and the end of agingIn this episode of Product Hunt Radio I'm joined by two incredible people, Laura Deming and Daniel Gross, who have accomplished more before the age of 30 than most people have realized in a lifetime.45m
17th Sep 2018The dark side of the web w/ Anil Dash and Allison EspositoIn the second episode of the new Product Hunt Radio, I’m joined by two amazing community-builders based in New York, Anil Dash and Allison Esposito. Anil is the CEO of Glitch, a friendly community48m
12th Sep 2018The rise of voice, evolution of VC, and why ads are awesome w/ Alexia and Niko BonatsosIn our inaugural episode, we're joined by two notable investors, Alexia Bonatsos and Niko Bonatsos. Alexia is the former co-editor-in-chief of TechCrunch and founder of a new venture fund, Dream51m
28th Aug 2018We're back!Today, we're re-introducing Product Hunt Radio, a weekly show with the people building and shaping the future of tech and culture. Our goal is to recreate Product Hunt in audio form. We'll discuss1m
21st Jul 2016Episode 90: Donald RumsfeldThis week’s episode is with Donald Rumsfeld. Donald is the former Secretary of Defense for the US and, at the tender age of 83, released an app - a solitaire game inspired by Winston Churchill. We25m
9th Jul 2016Episode 89: Jason CalacanisJason Calacanis is a long time founder and investor, having invested in Uber, Thumbtack, and many more. We talk about Jason’s Launch Incubator, investment strategy, legacy, and much more. As always,1h 18m
24th Jun 2016Episode 88: Arianna HuffingtonArianna is the founder of The Huffington Post, board member of Uber, and author of "The Sleep Revolution". Order the book:49m
9th Jun 2016Episode 87: Josh ElmanJosh is one of the most respected product managers in the game, having built products at Facebook, Twitter, and Linkedin. Now he has made an name for himself at Greylock as a top vc We talk about his51m
31st May 2016Episode 86: Tyler WillisTyler Willis is an angel investor and entrepreneur (former CMO of Hired). In this episode we talk about identity balancing the personal & professional self, goal setting, transparency, imposter1h 10m
18th May 2016Episode 85: Bret TaylorBret Taylor previously built Google Maps and served as CTO of Facebook. He is now founder of Quip. In this episode we talk about what it was like working at Facebook & Google, how he’s grown as a CEO55m
29th Apr 2016Episode 84: Brad FeldBrad is an incredibly successful investor, having founded the Techstars accelerator and Foundry group, and he's also also known as one of the kindest guys in the business. In this episode, we talk1h
19th Apr 2016Episode 83: Esther PerelEsther Perel is the perhaps world’s foremost expert on relationships. In this episode we talk about why desire wanes in relationships, how she would devise her own sex-education curriculum, why a bit1h 4m
13th Apr 2016Episode 82: Elisa NewElisa New is a Harvard professor of poetry and founder of the non-profit, Poetry in America. Involved in the project are people like Nas, Bill Clinton, and others who want to promote a love of46m
4th Apr 2016Episode 81: Adam GrantAdam Grant is the youngest professor ever to be tenured at wharton business school, and a best selling author of classics "Give and Take" and, most recently, "Originals" In this episode we talk about51m
28th Mar 2016Episode 80: Larry SummersNote: Apologize for poor audio quality on my part - we've transcribed the full podcast for your pleasure: https://docs.google.com/document/d/143v8O5o609f68uoco4oXRF67mPNGyzpleCiqzJR7E04/edit Larry is35m
28th Mar 2016Episode 79: Gary VaynerchukGary Vaynerchuk is a entrepreneur, investor, and best selling author with a new book called #AskGaryVee Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Z71HW8A/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1 In this27m
27th Mar 2016Episode 78: Matt MazzeoMatt is managing partner at Lower Case Capital with Chris Sacca. We talk about how Matt transitioned from 8 years at CAA to the world of VC, the future of Lowercase and VC in general, advice for1h 17m
26th Mar 2016Episode 77: Ruben HarrisRuben Harris runs partnerships at Honor and is on the front lines of the diversity in tech movement. in this episode we talk about how he broke into tech, how he moved from Atlanta to SF and built a40m
26th Mar 2016Episode 76: Jesse WilliamsJesse Williams is an actor in the hit show Grey’s Anatomy, and founder of Ebroji. this episode we talk about the launch of his app Ebroji, emojis and gifs as extension and evolution in language, the52m
26th Mar 2016Episode 75: Dhani JonesDhani Jones is a former NFL player, book author and founder of Proclamation. In this episode we talk about life after the NFL, his transition into the business world, the NFL as an organization,47m